Perlmonks CB60

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Xiong    2010-09-04 01:55:08 UTC

Oh, before you go, Good Sabbath.

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:54:47 UTC

Maybe if I make some real progress on my current noodle first, yitzchak.

tye    2010-09-04 01:46:38 UTC

(I'm also surprised at the assertion that most of them are already using UTC)

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:42:54 UTC

I assumed

tye    2010-09-04 01:42:24 UTC

I wouldn't remove leap seconds. I just don't think most computers should be using UTC.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:40:59 UTC

with an example, expected output, and actual output

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:40:19 UTC

Can I boil the bug report down to: 'Feature given does not return a usable value.' --?

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:39:19 UTC

Or, I should say more precisely, if such a warning were not raised because the outer assignment meant, hey, it's not void.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:38:52 UTC

or eval, or a subroutine, or if, etc; plenty of places where it's return value would be usable if it had one

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:38:30 UTC

Um, it might be nice if warnings also were suppressed by default within such a construct, of the useless use in void context.

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:37:39 UTC

My understanding of the way the rest of Perl works is that the given/when structure should be wrapped in a do{}.

tye    2010-09-04 01:37:04 UTC

(because clock ticks don't have to line up with the wall clock)

tye    2010-09-04 01:36:41 UTC

I was surprised to read that most computer systems use a time scale that includes leap seconds. That's stupid. Only astronomers should care. Even high-speed networking gear doesn't need to.

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:36:21 UTC

Yes, we can't be the only two who think this.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:33:05 UTC

you never know where you'll pick up allies

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:31:58 UTC

You and me against the world, eh?

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:30:47 UTC

I do think that making an assignment -- making various assignments when, always to the same variable -- is a likely use of switch.

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:29:41 UTC

Mm. Dunno if I know enough to do that, yitchak. Anyway, I'm not real happy with the existing syntax. And now, I think it's too late to change that.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:28:55 UTC

I think the behavior is unhelpful, if not outright buggy

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:28:32 UTC

Or, I can just do what I've been doing and stuff everything into a hash.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:28:17 UTC

Xiong in brief. the issue could use a champion. file a bug and see what comes of it.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:27:10 UTC

the anti-leap-second forces are still at work, trying to screw things up even more

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:26:28 UTC

So, it's cascaded ternaries && too bad.

Intrepid    2010-09-04 01:26:02 UTC

It's getting dark so much earlier now than 3 weeks ago, it feels much later than it is.

Intrepid    2010-09-04 01:25:27 UTC

Duh, thanks for reminding me. I live on a spherical body in space with a rotation around our stellar parent. Duh. Sorry for the distracting idiocy ;-/

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:24:22 UTC

Maybe not yet local sunset?

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:24:17 UTC

sundown here is in about an hour and a half

Intrepid    2010-09-04 01:23:10 UTC

Ermm, have you changed your observances yitzchak? I *do* *not* mean to make a thing out of it, but I just realized that I am surprised that you are in the cb tonight.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:22:58 UTC

which returns nothing

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:22:24 UTC

... which returns undef, eh?

Intrepid    2010-09-04 01:21:51 UTC

Corned beef and cole slaw on a toasted rye bread – that was my lunch today (from Marco's on Hertel Ave). Delicious ;-)

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:19:48 UTC

Xiong unfortunately, the last expression in each when block is the implicit break

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:17:56 UTC

hi, I

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:17:55 UTC

I may be a bit fuzzy here. But I thought the do{} would fix it.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:17:53 UTC

yes, given breaks that rule. :(

Intrepid    2010-09-04 01:17:12 UTC

Howdy.

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:17:03 UTC

My understanding is that a statement returns a value: the last value evaluated.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:14:54 UTC

I wish you would. I was disappointed that it worked that way.

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:14:52 UTC

I might as well use cascaded ternaries.

Xiong    2010-09-04 01:14:03 UTC

yitzchak Can I fix this? Otherwise all the when-blocks will be assignments to the same variable. Verbose.

yitzchak    2010-09-04 01:11:13 UTC

it's a statement. it doesn't have a return value.

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